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		<title>By: Paul Currion</title>
		<link>http://www.humanitarian.info/2007/12/19/whos-doing-what-where-and-more-importantly-why/comment-page-1/#comment-124116</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Currion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good lord, an NGO worker.  Somebody get him back in his cage before he starts causing trouble...

Jeremy, I have a question for you.  Taking into account everything that you&#039;ve said, what outputs of a W3 information system would you find useful?  Narrative reports, maps, graphs and charts?  Showing other organisation&#039;s work, or showing your own?    Is there any analysis that you think would be worthwhile?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good lord, an NGO worker.  Somebody get him back in his cage before he starts causing trouble&#8230;</p>
<p>Jeremy, I have a question for you.  Taking into account everything that you&#8217;ve said, what outputs of a W3 information system would you find useful?  Narrative reports, maps, graphs and charts?  Showing other organisation&#8217;s work, or showing your own?    Is there any analysis that you think would be worthwhile?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://www.humanitarian.info/2007/12/19/whos-doing-what-where-and-more-importantly-why/comment-page-1/#comment-123849</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 09:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, my second post today!  Don&#039;t know what&#039;s come over me.

Speaking as one of those pesky NGO types who can&#039;t be bothered to properly fill out the 3W forms....

I think your analysis is more or less correct.  In my experience with these forms, they tend to be either 1) so general as to be useless (i.e. grouping very different activities together under common headings) or 2) so overly detailed that they&#039;re not burdensome and consequently ignored.  Rarely is a useful balance found.  

Likewise, as you point out, NGOs tend to fill them out based in varying internal standards.  The fact is that from an NGO&#039;s perspective, filling out 3W forms tends to get low priority (for all of the reasons previously noted) and so NGO staff aren&#039;t going to commit a lot of time to deciphering the format and adapting their internal data to fit it - particularly if they&#039;re not confident that it will result in a useful tool at the end of the day.

The cluster system (about which I have maaaaany reservations) could provide a way forward by creating a context in which key implementers and technical actors develop joint 3W tools for their respective sectors, and the cluster lead can more directly promote adherence to those tools.  One of the additional problems with traditional 3W tools is that they tend to be put together by OCHA generalists who don&#039;t necessarily know, sector by sector, which bits of info are relevant to coordination and which are not.  By decentralizing this process out to the clusters, the cluster system has the potential to make some progress on this.  However, as noted in my other post, the cluster leads might not actually live up this this in practice.

Lastly - I fully agree that proactively contacting the relevant actors is the best way to get the information you need.  I (and I think, most NGO folks) tend to be much more responsive to a phone call or direct meeting than to a mass email with a generic attachment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, my second post today!  Don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s come over me.</p>
<p>Speaking as one of those pesky NGO types who can&#8217;t be bothered to properly fill out the 3W forms&#8230;.</p>
<p>I think your analysis is more or less correct.  In my experience with these forms, they tend to be either 1) so general as to be useless (i.e. grouping very different activities together under common headings) or 2) so overly detailed that they&#8217;re not burdensome and consequently ignored.  Rarely is a useful balance found.  </p>
<p>Likewise, as you point out, NGOs tend to fill them out based in varying internal standards.  The fact is that from an NGO&#8217;s perspective, filling out 3W forms tends to get low priority (for all of the reasons previously noted) and so NGO staff aren&#8217;t going to commit a lot of time to deciphering the format and adapting their internal data to fit it &#8211; particularly if they&#8217;re not confident that it will result in a useful tool at the end of the day.</p>
<p>The cluster system (about which I have maaaaany reservations) could provide a way forward by creating a context in which key implementers and technical actors develop joint 3W tools for their respective sectors, and the cluster lead can more directly promote adherence to those tools.  One of the additional problems with traditional 3W tools is that they tend to be put together by OCHA generalists who don&#8217;t necessarily know, sector by sector, which bits of info are relevant to coordination and which are not.  By decentralizing this process out to the clusters, the cluster system has the potential to make some progress on this.  However, as noted in my other post, the cluster leads might not actually live up this this in practice.</p>
<p>Lastly &#8211; I fully agree that proactively contacting the relevant actors is the best way to get the information you need.  I (and I think, most NGO folks) tend to be much more responsive to a phone call or direct meeting than to a mass email with a generic attachment.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Currion</title>
		<link>http://www.humanitarian.info/2007/12/19/whos-doing-what-where-and-more-importantly-why/comment-page-1/#comment-119502</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Currion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick, apologies for not having been in touch with you - as you probably noticed, I was a little busy in Bangladesh!  I will be in touch in the new year...

In response to your point:

I&#039;m not sure how we would integrate reporting in that way, given that a) there isn&#039;t an agreed W3 format, and b) we have no leverage to make people accept it.  I think that the existing form-based approach (&quot;Here&#039;s a new form - fill it in for me&quot;) just doesn&#039;t work.

If we look at (for example) NFI distribution, what I needed was a) agencies to have decent distribution plans, and b) agencies to give me those distribution plans.  I can do the rest, in terms of turning that into useful W3 analysis.  What I got suggested that either agencies &lt;i&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; have decent distribution plans (in the sense of being particularly coherent or detailed), or that b) they just aren&#039;t prepared to give them to me.

The problem is that sitreps don&#039;t contain sufficient detail to be useful - most of the information is aggregated.  Now we can build a W3 at that aggregated level, but I am consistently asked for much more detail, which is impossible to deliver.  The short answer to the problem is the development of an evidence-driven programming culture, of which I will write more in the near future...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, apologies for not having been in touch with you &#8211; as you probably noticed, I was a little busy in Bangladesh!  I will be in touch in the new year&#8230;</p>
<p>In response to your point:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how we would integrate reporting in that way, given that a) there isn&#8217;t an agreed W3 format, and b) we have no leverage to make people accept it.  I think that the existing form-based approach (&#8221;Here&#8217;s a new form &#8211; fill it in for me&#8221;) just doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>If we look at (for example) NFI distribution, what I needed was a) agencies to have decent distribution plans, and b) agencies to give me those distribution plans.  I can do the rest, in terms of turning that into useful W3 analysis.  What I got suggested that either agencies <i>don&#8217;t</i> have decent distribution plans (in the sense of being particularly coherent or detailed), or that b) they just aren&#8217;t prepared to give them to me.</p>
<p>The problem is that sitreps don&#8217;t contain sufficient detail to be useful &#8211; most of the information is aggregated.  Now we can build a W3 at that aggregated level, but I am consistently asked for much more detail, which is impossible to deliver.  The short answer to the problem is the development of an evidence-driven programming culture, of which I will write more in the near future&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Currion</title>
		<link>http://www.humanitarian.info/2007/12/19/whos-doing-what-where-and-more-importantly-why/comment-page-1/#comment-119499</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Currion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s really a drought.  Even when you tap the in-house situation reporting, a lot of it is narrative (and much of that is filler).  We don&#039;t have is a serious evidence-driven programming culture, which means little pressure to present useful data.

Having said that, the accessibility question is also an issue - just not so much of one.  Realistically, I don&#039;t want to have access to everybody&#039;s internal reporting - I just need that reporting to be done better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s really a drought.  Even when you tap the in-house situation reporting, a lot of it is narrative (and much of that is filler).  We don&#8217;t have is a serious evidence-driven programming culture, which means little pressure to present useful data.</p>
<p>Having said that, the accessibility question is also an issue &#8211; just not so much of one.  Realistically, I don&#8217;t want to have access to everybody&#8217;s internal reporting &#8211; I just need that reporting to be done better.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom L</title>
		<link>http://www.humanitarian.info/2007/12/19/whos-doing-what-where-and-more-importantly-why/comment-page-1/#comment-117024</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...(because we don’t have enough data to worry about ... (because we don’t have enough data to worry about)&quot; 

Is this because there is really a drought, or useful stuff is pre-bottled in house and totally inaccessible for sharing purposes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;(because we don’t have enough data to worry about &#8230; (because we don’t have enough data to worry about)&#8221; </p>
<p>Is this because there is really a drought, or useful stuff is pre-bottled in house and totally inaccessible for sharing purposes?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Rabinowitz</title>
		<link>http://www.humanitarian.info/2007/12/19/whos-doing-what-where-and-more-importantly-why/comment-page-1/#comment-116082</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Rabinowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, here&#039;s my quick take - the only way to solve this question is to integrate the W3 reporting with reporting that organizations are doing already. From my perspective, the best candidate here is in the existing process of situation reporting - most or all organizations include the key information required by the W3 in their internal sitreps. 

In the ideal world of my imagining, a few common standards for sitreps would allow for quick, efficient aggregation of W3 data from multiple organizations, without requiring field staff to enter any more information than they do now. I think there&#039;s a real opportunity for an approach that kills several birds with one stone here - improving the current sitrep process and using those improvements to attack the problems you&#039;re describing here.

I&#039;d be very interested in your thoughts on this approach - in my opinion, the more the different reporting functions are integrated, the better it will be for everyone: less work for the field staff, better and more up-to-date information for the coordinating bodies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, here&#8217;s my quick take &#8211; the only way to solve this question is to integrate the W3 reporting with reporting that organizations are doing already. From my perspective, the best candidate here is in the existing process of situation reporting &#8211; most or all organizations include the key information required by the W3 in their internal sitreps. </p>
<p>In the ideal world of my imagining, a few common standards for sitreps would allow for quick, efficient aggregation of W3 data from multiple organizations, without requiring field staff to enter any more information than they do now. I think there&#8217;s a real opportunity for an approach that kills several birds with one stone here &#8211; improving the current sitrep process and using those improvements to attack the problems you&#8217;re describing here.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be very interested in your thoughts on this approach &#8211; in my opinion, the more the different reporting functions are integrated, the better it will be for everyone: less work for the field staff, better and more up-to-date information for the coordinating bodies.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Currion</title>
		<link>http://www.humanitarian.info/2007/12/19/whos-doing-what-where-and-more-importantly-why/comment-page-1/#comment-115089</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Currion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt - all of the above.  Yes, we need to be more proactive in gathering it - our best information came from just phoning people up and asking them what they were doing (although we didn&#039;t get much detail, at least we had agency coverage). 

As you point out, the key is creating an incentive for agencies to fill out the form.  The only way of doing this that I can think of is to turn the information around quickly and give them back some useful products that help them in the field - anything else is not interesting to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt &#8211; all of the above.  Yes, we need to be more proactive in gathering it &#8211; our best information came from just phoning people up and asking them what they were doing (although we didn&#8217;t get much detail, at least we had agency coverage). </p>
<p>As you point out, the key is creating an incentive for agencies to fill out the form.  The only way of doing this that I can think of is to turn the information around quickly and give them back some useful products that help them in the field &#8211; anything else is not interesting to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Currion</title>
		<link>http://www.humanitarian.info/2007/12/19/whos-doing-what-where-and-more-importantly-why/comment-page-1/#comment-115087</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Currion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom - the problem isn&#039;t the data entry (because we don&#039;t have enough data to worry about), but data collection (because we don&#039;t have enough data to worry about).

Hiring additional staff would help in terms of (for example) phoning around the agencies, but the key to successful information gathering is building relationships with those agencies - and that&#039;s not something that can be solved by adding more staff, unfortunately, only by investing more time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom &#8211; the problem isn&#8217;t the data entry (because we don&#8217;t have enough data to worry about), but data collection (because we don&#8217;t have enough data to worry about).</p>
<p>Hiring additional staff would help in terms of (for example) phoning around the agencies, but the key to successful information gathering is building relationships with those agencies &#8211; and that&#8217;s not something that can be solved by adding more staff, unfortunately, only by investing more time.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Slater</title>
		<link>http://www.humanitarian.info/2007/12/19/whos-doing-what-where-and-more-importantly-why/comment-page-1/#comment-114945</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Slater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a newcomer to the profession, it was immediately obvious to me that W3 was a first, and primitively implemented step towards using IT to coordinate organisations in the field. It was also obvious, browsing through OCHA&#039;s W3, that it was incomplete, and much less useful because of that. So It&#039;s good to hear someone actually saying this. So what next? If the information is so valuable, maybe merely sending out forms, however usable, won&#039;t be enough. Maybe someone needs to be more proactive in collecting it? Maybe the system doesn&#039;t reward organisations enough to bother filling in a form? Maybe organisations don&#039;t understand the wider benefits to the operation of a coordination mechanism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a newcomer to the profession, it was immediately obvious to me that W3 was a first, and primitively implemented step towards using IT to coordinate organisations in the field. It was also obvious, browsing through OCHA&#8217;s W3, that it was incomplete, and much less useful because of that. So It&#8217;s good to hear someone actually saying this. So what next? If the information is so valuable, maybe merely sending out forms, however usable, won&#8217;t be enough. Maybe someone needs to be more proactive in collecting it? Maybe the system doesn&#8217;t reward organisations enough to bother filling in a form? Maybe organisations don&#8217;t understand the wider benefits to the operation of a coordination mechanism?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the reporting template issue can&#039;t be solved before the emergency, I wouldn&#039;t hold out much hope of implementing it now.

Given the time-critical nature of W3, could you employ a squad of data clerks in the information team to do the crunching task manually? An Dhaka-based NGO like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dnet-bangladesh.org/main.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;D:Net &lt;/a&gt; could probably perform this task for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the reporting template issue can&#8217;t be solved before the emergency, I wouldn&#8217;t hold out much hope of implementing it now.</p>
<p>Given the time-critical nature of W3, could you employ a squad of data clerks in the information team to do the crunching task manually? An Dhaka-based NGO like <a href="http://www.dnet-bangladesh.org/main.html" rel="nofollow">D:Net </a> could probably perform this task for you.</p>
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